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- From: floyd@icefog.polarnet.com (Floyd L. Davidson)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: USR 28.8: Frequency Response & Connect problems?
- Date: 26 Mar 1996 16:48:51 -0900
- Organization: _________
- Message-ID: <4ja6q3$5qd@icefog.polarnet.com>
- References: <4j9gvp$nr8@news.usit.net>
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-
- In article <4j9gvp$nr8@news.usit.net>, Niels Jonker <urgent@usit.net> wrote:
- >
- >I can dial in to all of our pops, and the Frequency Response numbers will
- >be 20dB and up, with the high numbers in the beginning and end as one
- >would expect. Except for one POP.
- >
- >In this POP, the numbers are in the 13-14 range (ie. at least 6dB lower),
- >and in this POP it is nearly impossible to get connected at any decent
- >speed.
- >
- >And now comes the weirdest part: When I dial into this pop Long DIstance,
- >the numbers are back in the 20+ range, and everything works fine and
- >Dandy.
-
- First, just to make this more understandable, lets clear up the
- wording. The numbers are negative, and represent dBm. So the
- bigger the number the lower the power level it represents. -14
- dBm is a much higher level than -20 dBm (4 times as much power,
- to be exact).
-
- Hence, your measurements indicate a hotter level on the
- connections that fail.
-
- >We have swapped out working equipment, etc etc etc, and of course nothing
- >changed. We suspect the phonecompany has made an 'improvement' that has
- >caused this problem to start occuring. Has anyone seen something like
- >this before? If so, what was the problem and how was it fixed?
- >
- >Or, does anyone know a place to get test-equipment to actually test the
- >wuality of dialup telephone connections?
-
- Take all of the money you can borrow, and visit with
- Hewlett-Packard, they will cure you of that notion!
-
- It does indeed appear that your telco has "improved" something!
- Some rule of thumb figures are that a test tone level at your
- telephone would ideally be from -6 dBm to -9 dBm, though it
- could be as much as 3-4 dB higher than that if you happen to
- live across the road from the telco. Data should be at 13 dB
- down from test tone level, so it should be about -19 dBm at your
- phone, and could be as much as 3-4 dB higher (it could also be
- much lower and still be acceptable). At -15 dBm your modem is
- probably the high end of its dynamic range, and even going just
- barely over that will cause severe distortion and cause all
- connections to fail.
-
- That explains why the calls don't work, but what is causing it
- is another story. On digital trunks the normal send level is 0
- dBm and the normal receive level is -6 dBm. Your level is about
- 6 dB too hot, and I would venture a guess that a group of
- interswitch trunks is incorrectly configured at a 0 dB receive
- level. By calling that line long distance you are directing
- your call via a different trunk group, and correcting the
- problem.
-
- You will have to report it as a problem to the phone company and
- patiently explain the problem to them... probably several times
- before they get pointed in the right direction. (The telco is
- rather "line" oriented, but I'm an LD testboard tech and am
- rather "trunk" oriented... :-)
-
- Floyd
-
- --
- Floyd L. Davidson floyd@polarnet.com
- Salcha, Alaska or: floyd@ims.alaska.edu
-